Wednesday, September 8, 2010

Ace Tone Base-3 Tube Amp / Ace Tone A-3B Tube Amp

Ace Tone Base-3 Tube Amp
aka Ace Tone A-3B Tube Amp
1960's?
Made in Japan, 100V

Tube Complement: 2 x 50H-B26 power tubes, 2 x 12ax7 preamp tubes, 1 x 6av6 tremolo tube

Speaker: 8-ohm, Alnico 12in., Ace Tone branded

I've searched and searched and searched and could not find any information about this amp from the net. Fortunately, the amp came with a full schematic so all is not lost.

This is a highly intriguing amp. In original form, it uses an unheard-of power tube, namely, 50H-B26. Some info are available on the net for this tube so this is another plus.

This tube requires 50V AC for filament power and the filament of the 2 power tubes are connected in series at the primary side of the power transformer, getting filament power directly from the 100V Japanese house voltage.

This explains why the 6.3 V output of the power transformer is designed for 1 Ampere only. It only need to provide filament power to two 12ax7s and one 6av6 tube. The power transformer therefore does not need to be so big.

When I got it, the power tube bases were already converted to accept 6V6s. Whoever did the conversion did not scrimp on the tubes as they were DELCO brand 6V6s. The replacement tube bases used are ceramic type.

The work was done cleanly and looked like it was executed by somebody who knows what he was doing. Only upon consulting the schematic and looking closely on the actual amp components did I realize that the amp did not originally use 6V6s.

There is a minor modification done in the circuit board that does not look like it was done by the same person who did the tube conversion. It looked like temporary work to make a test. Fortunately this is easy to undo.

A number of the original paper-in-oil caps in the circuit board have been replaced.

The amp works and sounds good when I got it though there were no provisions made to supply the additional filament current required by the two 6V6s. It doesn't seem to have the power that could be expected from a push-pull 6V6 powered amp. This is most probably due to the lack of filament power to the preamp and power tubes.

I feel that the amp can give more output once a proper power transformer is installed or an additional filament transformer is added to supply the filament current required by the two 6V6s.

The 12-inch Alnico speaker has a big magnet and looks like it can handle 20 watts or more of output power. The speaker is blanketed at the back likely because the amp is designed for bass guitar as well as for guitar with a selector switch on the front panel.

The amp as it is, presents a very nice starting platform for conversion into any one of the classic amps as most of the ingredients are already there...












































7 comments:

Romy Concepcion said...

Hi Guitar center,thank you for your kind words! I added a link to your very nice site. Best regards!

schnee said...

Hey Romy !! Wow ! I cant believe i finally found another one of these out there ! lol.
I got mine about 40 years ago !..(bit of a pack-rat)It was basically just a working chassis back then.
If You could put up a full chassis pic, and/or a full schematic pic, I would be forever grateful! I have to TRY to make it functional again. It was/is my first amp.
I'm in Canada, and have yet to see another. We are 60 hertz over here, and mine worked fine back then...so its probably slightly different. Any help would certainly be welcome
Thanks Romy !

schnee said...

Lol..well I just went back to your blog, and now the full pics are viewable...go figure..

Now, just a quick course in Japanese, and I"ll have 'er fixxed in no time...lol
24Nice to see what those amps are SUPPOSED to look like
Thanks for postin' it all Romy
Cheers
Schnee.

tonnot said...

hey, acetonefan,

I've got one too and I have used it for over decades. I have a serious problem since last week. The potmeter of the depth channel broke down(turning around and not functioning anymore as an electrical resistance.

I can't find a new one, (72-500 ohm C on the side, 125 V en 1A on top of it. it has 5 spots for connecting wires.

Can you help me out or tip me?

thanks ton
a.vermelis7@upcmail.nl

Romy Concepcion said...

You're welcome Schnee!

Hi Tonnot! That potentiometer is a 500k ohms (B) linear taper type with an on/off switch. 3 wires go the potentiometer while 2 wires go to the on/off switch. This is not a very rare item and you can still buy this at electronic stores. I suggest you take your amp to a technician for repair if you have not done something like this before. Some tools are required and working inside a tube amp is dangerous even when the amp is not plugged in. Hope this helps. Best regards, Romy

Triller said...

Can you let me know anything you know about converting this puppy to 2 6V6's. I can't find any power tubes for this one.....appreciate it...thanks.

Romy Concepcion said...

Been away from the blog, but this might still be of interest to somebody in future..

The amp can be modded into a Fender amp like circuit with 2 6V6s. One desirable circuit to replicate is the Fender 6G3. An circuit replica can be done if one has the technical ability and will to do the mod and the budget and access to procure needed parts.

The Power and Output transformers can be replaced with 6G3 replacement transformer and the circuit changed as per 6G3 schematic. A GZ34 rectifier socket and tube may be added if desired. The 2nd amp channel may be deleted and replaced by a "bright" switch instead using the switch in the front panel.

A less costly modification can be done by keeping the Power Transformer, Output Transformer and Speaker.

The 50V heaters of the 50H-B26 power tubes are connected in series and are directly powered by the 100V Japan domestic mains power. The power transformer only have 1A capacity per the schematic. This is just enough to power the heaters of the 2 pre-amp tubes and the tremolo tube (the actual PT marking show 0.6A).

If the aim is to keep the PT, then a 1A filament transformer must be provided and installed in the chassis to power the heater of the 6V6s.

The OT and original speaker may also be kept. Using 6V6s will result in a 1 step impedance mismatch between the original OT (with 3.5k ohms primary) and the 8 ohm speaker but this is workable.

Here is Fender Princeton based mod done by Monkeymatic https://amps.monkeymatic.com/2013-monkeymatic-ace-tone/.